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Offline Noisycow

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Samsung and SIP
« on: June 23, 2010, 12:03:59 PM »
Just wanted to say we have done some SIP installations now and we are pretty happy with it.  It was a little intimidating at first.  You know, the whole 'no demark' thing!   :011:

Has anyone set up SIP trunks with Paetek?  One of our accounts ordered some SIP trunks and DIDs and we are putting in a 7200-S.  Hopefully, their engineering dept will be sending us a cut sheet.  So far, the best experience has been with Broadvox.  There is something to be said about them being experts at ONE thing.

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Offline Noisycow

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 02:41:00 PM »
Paetek flubbed it up and now the customer went with Broadvox instead.
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Offline Marc Haycook

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 05:05:16 PM »
We've had good luck with Voxitas... in fact, I just installed a took put an OS100 and put in new OS7200 so the customer could move over to SIP service. It took us four months to port the numbers from the LEC, but we finally got the numbers on Friday.

We are currently using Broadvox and we are a Broadvox reseller, but we signed up with them before discovering they don't offer service in our area.
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Offline Noisycow

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Samsung and SIP
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 01:25:19 PM »
Marc,

We went with Broadvox exclusively because we wanted to deal with the best, most reliable SIP carrier.  Price was secondary.  We have sold a few accounts and I must say the service level is deteriorating rapidly.   

During the cutover process we get the usual cryptic emails, but never a real person - a project manager - to see an order through to implementation.   We end up going to my agent sales manager to complain.

At this point, we could never sell Broadvox where someone is moving and there is a specific port date.   IMO, there is no way Broadvox would make it.   There are people at Broadvox that either misplace orders or stop them from going through for some reason and then you are standing at the account, waiting.  No port, sorry.  The only possible way we could sell Broadvox now is when current services are in place and would remain active throughout the switchover.

We anticipated failure and/or unnecessary delays on our last large Broadvox cut and had the customer put in some POTs lines as a failsafe to forward calls to; without that, we'd be sued by now.

Thinking that we have had just a string of bad luck, I did a web search for 'review Broadvox', and even though the reviews are older, they are all very, very poor.

Frankly, the 'when we get to it' attitude is scaring the crap out of me now. 

The fact that about every two weeks on a couple of  Broadvox accounts goes offline is not too terribly reassuring either.

We are thinking of giving Voxitas a go.   Do they now offer name and name caller ID?  At one point they didn't and that was why we decided to go to Broadvox.

When we are looking at SIP it is all about dealing with a company that we can rely on not to leave us twisting in the wind.   At one of our Broadvox accounts, they ported all the numbers except the customer's main BTN and fax, reason never known.  So for a month now, after several resubmits of LOAs, we find that someone at Broadvox is stopping the port, for some unspecified reason, since the LOA is perfect.   

Afraid and apprehensive, more and more, of SIP.

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Offline Marc Haycook

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 05:43:56 PM »
We are thinking of giving Voxitas a go.   Do they now offer name and name caller ID?  At one point they didn't and that was why we decided to go to Broadvox.

Run away... do not use Voxitas. The customer referenced above had nothing but trouble.

I tested Voxitas for a couple of months without problem, but a couple of weeks before we ported the customer - Voxitas made changes to their network and it was never reliable after the changes. The customer would be fine - then without warning inbound would fail. Several times they had no inbound for an entire day.

Tech support was pretty good, but they were never able to figure out the problems. The customer had signed a three year contract, but Voxitas released them with an apology for the crappy service.
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Offline Ironhedz

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 08:01:26 PM »
We have used Commpartners and babytel. Commpartners tech support is pretty good. The only problem I have had with them is I cannot get MOH to work on the trunks - sent a wireshark to samsung but have yet to hear from them. As far as babytel, I have only 1 account with them but have never had to call support. We dont have alot of SIP customers out there, maybe half a dozen. But this is kinda the way the business is going.

Offline Noisycow

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2010, 10:54:08 PM »
I've had a large financial firm SOL for most of the day today because Broadvox dropped the ball on a port.  Almost 9pm and they still are down.  They are going to go ballistic in the morning.

I am done with SIP.  It was a nice idea.   When and if a quality, professional SIP carrier comes along let me know.   I am not putting my reputation and liability on the line to push SIP for now.

Absolutely do not sell SIP if you have a critical cut date - you better have concurrent services running from the old and the new carriers.   Even then, like me today, you might get screwed.
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Offline Noisycow

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2010, 12:07:56 PM »
18 hours, no BTN service; doo-doo-doo I am sorry but that number is disconnected and no longer in service ...... just what a business owner wants to hear ....

The old provider recalled the number and it is working.  Like I said, no more SIP for us.

Since we primarily sell Samsung and the SIP makes for a great feature/cost sell, we will be on the lookout for a reliable SIP carrier.   In the meantime, if we go up against a SIP-enable system bid we will gladly share our experiences and recommend that prospects reject going that route.

BABYTEL!! - now that one got a chuckle - I could just see quoting that ....
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Offline NFCphoneman

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2010, 07:06:02 AM »
My preference is to keep the main number with the LEC and use it as a POTS line on the phone system.  Have that line Busy-Call-Forwarded to the SIP trunks. This way, you avoid the problems you're now having and if there is a problem with the internet, or ITSP the customer still has their main line.

-Larry

Offline Noisycow

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 01:30:51 PM »
My preference is to keep the main number with the LEC and use it as a POTS line on the phone system.  Have that line Busy-Call-Forwarded to the SIP trunks. This way, you avoid the problems you're now having and if there is a problem with the internet, or ITSP the customer still has their main line.

-Larry

I think that would be the ticket.  The SIP carrier could still fail to follow through with the secondary station DIDs, but that at least wouldn't cause the customer to go ape.

A lot of customers go to Comcast here.   They could do as you described and take over L1 and the fax, then a SIP carrier for the station DIDs and sequential hunt off the main number.

I guess all that is worth doing in order to get direct lines, better quality audio/functionality on ext forwards, etc.
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Offline Noisycow

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Re: Samsung and SIP
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 10:56:54 PM »
Has anyone used Airespring?   http://airespring.com/

Their marketing fluff is great.   Waiting for a friend to give me feedback on them.   Shows potential.
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