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Offline tonyburkhart

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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2013, 07:43:02 AM »
Ok Tony, I've asked you to stay out of my phone room.  :011:

That looks like one of those jobs where the best thing to do is tie new cable to the old and pull a new feed through on everything, start over, and bill accordingly.



That may still happen.

Two cables (1 voice and 1 data) were damaged, so I called their foreman in to have his guys pull new ones (so I could observe and correct them). They started the pulls on the jack side of the box... had one guy feed the entire run through the conduit... enough for the entire length of the run. Then with that balled up mess, start pulling it through the ceiling to the MDF, then go back and zip-ty from MDF->jack. It was the most inefficient way to pull 2 cables I'd ever seen. So, I gave them a crash course in low voltage pulling and routing for a structured cabling install. The 2 guys pulling cable (literally a 40' run took 2 guys an hour to PULL and dress in - not even terminate)

So at any rate, after we got them up and working, I called their manager and explained that it would behove them to set up a training before they do this again and he was very agreeable and they admittedly didn't know how to do low voltage, but thought they could figure it out. So, at least he was easy to work with and his guys were nice... they just simply didn't know what they were doing and got in over their heads.
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2013, 04:12:15 PM »
This was an assisted living site who decided they would do their own moves, adds and changes to save on costs.




They started using 2 pair wire and wire nuts!!!!   :011:


Their maintenance man purchased a 110 punch tool and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work so he would cut the old jumpers off and leave a few inches still punched down and attached his new wire with wire nuts!
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2013, 05:37:58 PM »
^^ :011: :011: ^^

So much for SAVING money! 
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« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2013, 06:40:26 PM »
Think I just threw up a little…


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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2013, 10:45:02 PM »
But how did he know what clips and jumpers?

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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #65 on: September 23, 2013, 05:44:10 AM »
But how did he know what clips and jumpers?

-Hal

He also had a toner and would tone two rooms back to the phone room, then cut the jumpers and swap to connections with his 2 pair wire. When he had to swap 3 phones/rooms he got confused, messed up, then called me.  He had no idea what those blocks represented or how to count them. :011:
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #66 on: September 23, 2013, 10:00:55 AM »
Wow, just wow...both the pics Tony posted and the pic from Larry.
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2013, 01:03:04 PM »
I wish I was allowed to take pictures of the things I routinely come across. Most of you guys would be like Jeff... wow, just wow.
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #68 on: December 26, 2013, 08:38:39 AM »
Here's a good run down of some sloppy work. Interesting responses. LOL

http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/real-world-server-room-nightmares/1/


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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2013, 10:01:25 AM »
The sad thing is, that many of these installations looked like they were immaculate - when they were first installed.

It appears that after the customer or the lowest price bidder got finished with the add-ons, moves and changes that they all went to hell.

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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2013, 10:32:55 AM »
That's the way I see it too Sam!   :066:

I don't see anyone interested in learning all the tricks/techniques of wiring handed down from Bell/Western Electric. Pride in workmanship is all but gone except for a few.  The sad part is installers today have better tools available to them.  I say available because I never see any of them use these tools.  No one mounts equipment on the walls anymore, they sit it on the floor, on the box in which it was delivered. Forget making custom cables today, just open the packaged cables and let the slack sit all over the room.  
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2014, 03:15:40 PM »
Seems that the new philosophy is that as long as it works it's a job well done. Nobody cares how it was done "in the old days" because they have no idea how to do it nor do they want to know. It's like wiring a room addition up with zip cord. It works and it's cheap is all that counts. Why waste time and money on extra tools and material and learning how to do it?

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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #72 on: January 03, 2014, 09:59:50 AM »
That's the way I see it too Sam!   :066:

I don't see anyone interested in learning all the tricks/techniques of wiring handed down from Bell/Western Electric.

About 10 years ago I ran the voice & data (wiring) end of a job my company got. It was a renovation of a catering hall (2 floors) that was being converted to offices for NYC Department of Education. The job was about 250 runs of (each) v & d. The PBX was being installed by a 3rd party. (we were also doing the electrical work).

I won't get into the work done by the PBX company, except to say that there were only two people on the crew who spoke English and the work was some of the worst I'd ever seen. After seeing the work done by these clowns I can't imagine how a "real" company can compete. But that's the subject of another discussion.

What I'd like to speak of is the spec I was doing the job to, especially the building out of the Comm Room (MC).

The spec said that all work had to be done to "Bell System Standards". Now Hugh O'Kane Electric (who I worked for), did a tremendous amount of work for both Verizon and the CLECs and we knew what "Bell System Standards" meant, so we did the job to those specs. Nothing smaller then ⅝" hardware supporting the racks and cable tray, cloth covered green wire ground ( either 1/0 or 2/0, I forget...). Power cable laced. Fiber laced with fish paper, all penetrations fire stopped, etc, etc.

And when the guy who wrote the specs into the contract, showed up on the job, he said.......

Wait for it......

"Wow! This is gorgeous! Is this what Bell System Specs means? I never knew. No one ever did a job like this for us before."

I knew then it was time to retire.

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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2014, 07:19:15 AM »

"Wow! This is gorgeous! Is this what Bell System Specs means? I never knew. No one ever did a job like this for us before."

I knew then it was time to retire.

Sam

Yeah... that's the point where you just throw your hands up, drop tools and walk the heck out. A statement like that would be a show stopper.
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Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2014, 02:38:44 PM »
In the 'wtf were they thinking' category, I present the following:













This is a brand new install in a 3000sf remodeled office, they moved in last Wednesday. Sigh...
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