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Telephone Services => Cabling => Topic started by: Marc Haycook on April 28, 2010, 04:24:45 PM

Title: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on April 28, 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Okay... I figure I'll start by sharing a few of my favorites.

(http://www.stormyprods.com/blog/DSC_1558.JPG)

(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff252/tdn99/0919081142a.jpg)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Electricguy on May 02, 2010, 12:06:22 AM
Its is from British Columbia, The telco tech was dispatched for non working phone  that was the mess he left when he could not figure out the problem.
that green wire is a # 6 that he connected to the old protector which he had disconnected the service drop from. That old protector is grounded with a #14  not sure to where though.

Doug
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Skip555 on May 02, 2010, 08:14:36 AM
heres one I ran across recently

you can't really see it but they are 25 pair tails with harmonica's on the end

they wanted it cleaned up ... until they saw the quote
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Steve Mull on May 04, 2010, 12:24:26 PM
Heres a beauty

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Steve Mull on May 04, 2010, 12:28:35 PM
Not your standard outdoor enclosure
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 12, 2010, 11:17:01 PM
One of my favorite sites - this was one of my very first customers.  The customer owner lives by his single mantra: "it works doesn't it?  That's all I care about, why do I need to pay big money to do it differently when its worked this way for years and expensive stuff breaks just as fast."

I really feel for their IT guy, he has NO budget, and his tool of necessity is a fire extinguisher.  He's a great guy and I consider him a personal friend, but he's severely hamstrung by the owner's mantra.  Leaves me breathless every time I go in there.

BTW, the RED arrow points to their cable internet modem.  Yes, its hanging on the power cord.  I moved it out of my way to access the telephone bix field for MACS, and brought down their internet.  It doesn't work unless it hangs...  Unfortunately it hangs directly in front of the cross connects.

I work on the phones ONLY, and try as we (me and their CG) might, we can't get the owner to budge on proper network gear etc...
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 12, 2010, 11:28:16 PM
Another excellent example of networking by user.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 12, 2010, 11:50:35 PM
This is a site I "inherited", Nitsuko Onyx VS.  Most of their phones have buttons that dont work.  The phone room phone can't go into programming mode because digit 4 doesnt work.  You get the idea. 

I am ripping this out and installing a Samsung 7200s, once they get some electrical issues sorted out.

I told them I will not "fix" the Nitsuko, its beyond repair, and really, you got your money's worth out of it.

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on May 14, 2010, 08:02:57 AM
I got a call yesterday that a fax wasn't working at a restaurant. I checked dial tone at the NID and determined there was a short on the CPE side. It took a while, but I found the pairs were "twisted" to short little pieces of cross connect as extensions.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 14, 2010, 09:39:20 AM
OMG you had to stand in that to work?  Just a tiny hazard.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on May 14, 2010, 10:52:08 AM
I see a gas can in there! :002:

Maybe the best thing would be to throw a match in and run! :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on May 14, 2010, 11:18:41 AM
The gas can had gas in it and there was paint along with paint thinner under the gas can.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Steve Mull on May 14, 2010, 12:31:47 PM
Got called out on a emergency call last night to a local Pep Boys

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 14, 2010, 08:47:04 PM
only thing missing is a bunch of oily rags to help with the spontaneous combustion of the place
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on May 17, 2010, 07:03:14 AM
@Steve Mull - We service all the central Ohio locations and they can get ugly sometimes. That one is towards the bottom of the pile, however.

----
I posted this one last week, on my Posterous Blog (http://tonyburkhart.posterous.com/). It was from a local ERAC (http://www.enterprise.com/).

(http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/tonyburkhart/LXgk1gzvV91IHHgy8O04fJTG7bKrxIxW1nZTEKxXes3ibkioHXeZNJJQKuxK/IMG00200-20100512-1240.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg) (http://tonyburkhart.posterous.com/one-of-these-things-is-not-like-the-other-66b)

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on May 17, 2010, 07:28:46 AM
This, is one of my personal favorites...

Perfectly ran voice cable... Through a garden?! #uglywork (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxemDDxvNqg)

^YouTube link^
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Skip555 on May 17, 2010, 09:04:50 AM
I like the wirmold running up the wall

It wouldn't last a year around here
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on May 17, 2010, 12:43:21 PM
Here's one that we saw during a remodel. Seems like the AT&T tech ran the cable under the carpet, as later revealed by the carpet removal.

(http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/tonyburkhart/1ezDFgMQ5OdP0infcoPspoqTqT6ZKErZ1bPzDPlASYGhaLXfCZEQXHwooV3C/IMG00519-20100125-1310.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg)
 (http://tonyburkhart.posterous.com/uglywork-2-in-1-day)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on May 17, 2010, 11:14:01 PM
More awesome CG stuff...
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on May 18, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
@matherton - Wow, they sure are a talented breed!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Grider on May 24, 2010, 04:12:03 PM
It isn't just the telephone backboards that get infected by fingers belonging to less than competent yet highly overpaid experts. I'm one to be talking because I can't even post a picture here yet but I recently purchased a 39 year old Airstream and you guessed it, there is a perfectly good circuit board that half of the wires have been plucked from and reconnected elsewhere using wire-nuts. The Airstream had two previous owners, both with degrees in engineering. :022:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Noisycow on June 02, 2010, 01:24:02 AM
Got called out on a emergency call last night to a local Pep Boys

Shove that deep into the smallest closet possible and it would look like all the Dominos Pizza's installs around here.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MooreTel on June 02, 2010, 05:53:16 AM
Not the one here....then again, I installed it  :066:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on June 02, 2010, 07:51:09 AM
Shove that deep into the smallest closet possible and it would look like all the Dominos Pizza's installs around here.

Around here Dominos aren't even in a closet.  They'll be just slapped up on a sheetrock wall up by the ceiling.  Many times they build shelves around them and the blocks will be buried behind junk they have no where else to store.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on June 02, 2010, 08:28:59 AM
Around here Dominos aren't even in a closet.  They'll be just slapped up on a sheetrock wall up by the ceiling.  Many times they build shelves around them and the blocks will be buried behind junk they have no where else to store.

That is the same way Dominos are done here.  In the Buffalo Wild Wings the system and blocks are directly over the door to the managers office. You have no idea how many times that office is entered while you have a ladder right there. 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Cnavarro on June 02, 2010, 09:59:40 AM
That's what they make door openers for :-)  I don't mind putting the systems above the door in the B'dubs office.  At least it guarantees that nothing will get put in front of it.

However, we did have a manager that had to break into his own office by going over the tiles above the phone system.  That was worth a service call to reconnect all the wiring.

Carl
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on June 02, 2010, 10:06:30 AM
Just did a food store, pulled out a Panasonic with voicemail and installed a Samsung 7100.  Customer said "we could never get some phone jacks to work, several companies have tried, could you please make them work?"

Here's why, not sure how it was missed before, have a look at the colours, they must have watched that "how to install a phone jack" video we saw recently:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on June 02, 2010, 10:55:44 AM
"we could never get some phone jacks to work, several companies have tried, could you please make them work?"

That's the really sad thing... and it probably took you just a few minutes to determine the problem.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on June 02, 2010, 11:00:51 AM
What was really shocking was every jack was different.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Cnavarro on June 02, 2010, 11:04:25 AM
As long as the same guy wires both ends of each jack :-)

I heard a story similar to this where one tech wired the GREEN pair and the other tech couldn't figure out why the jacks didn't work.  They worked for the local loser cable company.

The eHow moron though, takes the cake.  And he advertises himself as an "expert".



Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on June 02, 2010, 01:06:21 PM
So do I :)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on June 02, 2010, 02:13:40 PM
What was really shocking was every jack was different.

I recently did an installation that was like that and I had to take apart every jack to re-wire it correctly.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on July 11, 2010, 05:01:14 PM
I'm a thief! Sparkie installed three data jacks for about a quarter of what I would have. This is what I found up in the ceiling when they had to call me because they couldn't get their computers to connect. And those two cables at the upper right are stranded patch cord cable and were punched down on two of the jacks... like at that point it even mattered.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b19/hbiss/IMG_0437.jpg)


-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: telemarv on July 11, 2010, 07:24:51 PM
Hal,
That's a Sparky brand 4 port hub.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Skip555 on July 11, 2010, 09:25:03 PM
I had a call to install a partner a few weeks back

"the cabling has all been done , you just need to do the install"

they show me around the office 7 locations then they show me where they want the system

Hmm...why is there only one 4 pair dropping down from the ceiling


you guessed it same crap but not as neat I'll see if I can find the pictures

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Brokeda on July 24, 2010, 02:42:22 PM
Laughing my freaking head off!!!
Bill Dance could do better, might catch a Bass while were jigging for cable.
I guess they make money on that trash.
I,m going to start working on my Advanced Ninja Techniques videos.
 :011: :011:

It is good that there is a place like this, where real Telephone Men of Iron can come togeteher and share Sparkie's deep dark secrets. That trick with the wire nuts will really come in handy. Take one old wire and charge $375.00, Even after Gradgitating from the Internet Cat 5 wiring school of Telephoey, I had never seen that great trick.  I will cherish it forever!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on August 02, 2010, 04:31:22 PM
The following pictures are from Arthur P. Bloom who commented:

The existing eq. is lying on its side under a blanket of dirt and dust, in a cabinet under a desk. I have pre-wired the site with all new wires and jacks, created a new MDF in the basement, and tomorrow I will return to the scene with a CG and do a hot move of all the phone and data stuff. Photos of the "after" to follow.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/010.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/011.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/014.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/015.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/016.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/017.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/018.jpg)

Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on August 03, 2010, 07:33:48 AM
I'm surprised that Partner is still working after running in that position. Has to be cooked from no air flow bottom to top. See that Avaya- that's what you get for selling to end users!

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on August 03, 2010, 08:23:50 AM
Wow... just wow!   :023:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on August 09, 2010, 03:14:18 PM
Here are the after pictures from Arthur.

(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/phone011.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/phone012.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/phone013.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/phone014.jpg)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff126/silversam11229/APB/phone015.jpg)


Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: oobie on August 09, 2010, 08:42:56 PM
Now that looks better :003:!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on December 18, 2010, 01:36:40 PM
Here is one we started on this week. Customer took over a building after a bankruptcy and we have been toning, refishing and reterminating for hours upon hours this week. This video is what we started with. I will post a follow up at the beginning of next week, with a few improvements!

http://tonyburkhart.com/uglywork-in-downtown-columbus-voice-and-data
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: bmreen on February 19, 2012, 04:32:29 PM
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg547/bmreen/IMAG00942.jpg)
Before
(http://i1243.photobucket.com/albums/gg547/bmreen/IMAG00972.jpg)
After
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on February 27, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
Bobby - that's a BIG dif! Nice job... One to be proud of!  :008:

check out this junk:

http://uglywork.posterous.com/wow-the-ugliest-cabling-job-i-have-seen-in-a

(http://getfile9.posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/uglywork/WdN0Y5HglnRqb0bSN4Ats6i7OfdbOrTbr2HLBbHKrA6NhV5GcuyBAlckuDLP/IMAG0451.jpg.scaled980.jpg.scaled.1000.jpg)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: NFCphoneman on November 26, 2012, 06:44:14 PM
Here's a beauty we had to work on a couple of weeks ago.  Yep, most of that is fiber!

(http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h415/nfcphoneman/IMG160.jpg)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Grider on November 26, 2012, 06:54:10 PM
Here's a beauty we had to work on a couple of weeks ago.  Yep, most of that is fiber!

([url]http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h415/nfcphoneman/IMG160.jpg[/url])


Since I am on very slow internet download speed the pics load very slow but the text is immediate. What scared me was I was thinking OMG, Larry is posting the location he went to on my behalf the other day.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on November 26, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
 :011: don't see any service calls waiting to happen there... wow.

Does nobody have pride in their workmanship these days?
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: NFCphoneman on November 27, 2012, 07:12:28 PM
Since I am on very slow internet download speed the pics load very slow but the text is immediate. What scared me was I was thinking OMG, Larry is posting the location he went to on my behalf the other day.

You mean the broom-office supply-Christmas decoration storage-server room-crap we don't know what to do with-phone closet?  No, this was a different place.  :015:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on November 28, 2012, 08:44:10 AM
Does nobody have pride in their workmanship these days?
You gotta know what workmanship is first...

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on December 03, 2012, 12:05:00 PM
Does nobody have pride in their workmanship these days?
You gotta know what workmanship is first...

-Hal
I didn't think of it like that... good point Hal :)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on January 19, 2013, 06:07:51 AM
Here is what it looked like in the client's old suite:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-sTDErJvko00/UPqLVfqaWqI/AAAAAAAAAHg/LgpEyl8FTB8/s800/IMG_4410.jpg)

Here is what it looks like after I moved them to a new suite:

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZqI6rFyeSgo/UPqLSEPhvRI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/B6zk5BQelRQ/s800/IMG_4413.JPG)

If you look closely, you can see the bang-up job that TWC did on top of my clean install.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mOT15azBW94/UPqLTA38uNI/AAAAAAAAAHY/uXwPFlUZsVY/s800/IMG_4414.JPG)

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on January 19, 2013, 05:15:14 PM
ya know... looking at that picture makes me cringe with the TWC slop. I may move it into the enclosed cabinet next time I'm on site and throw some white caulking in their screw holes and not even charge the client. Just so ugly.  :023:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on January 24, 2013, 11:12:45 AM
1) TWC clearly did not put enough stickers on that EMTA!
2) What is with the sad excuse for a 25 pair cable they supplied?
How many lines do they have? My eye doctor has five, and they installed 2 EMTAs, with modular connections...4 lines on one and the 5th on its own...weird!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: EV607797 on January 24, 2013, 12:18:28 PM
Jeff, it is actually a 12 pair factory cable that CATV companies use on the 8 line EMTAs.  Here, Cox and Comcast both use either four or eight line ones, depending upon the size of the line order.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on January 24, 2013, 04:08:14 PM
It's actually not too bad Tony. I wish they supplied Arris EMTAs like that here, all we get is what Jeff describes. It's for the phone lines so I wouldn't put it in with the network stuff in your cabinet plus that gives the cable bozos an excuse to go in there every time there is a problem or to replace it. Better where it is.  I would neaten the 12 pair up, ty-rap it in with the station wiring going to the 66 blocks. Then again I might even throw it in the garbage and replace it with a pre-made Amphenol to Amphenol 25 pair considerably shorter.

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: matherton on June 01, 2013, 06:19:34 PM
Trying to share 6 real gems of stuff i've come across in my travels...

(https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/0/AABUPtSIBYjfVIs1JTU7qnuyAP4sPA95kmkyEha_WjE-OA/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/IMG00328-20100825-0838.jpg/IYbyZ1u2XM9onYJYwnSbHvoSLzkxwYk6RfvaeMuZTeo?size=1024x768)

(https://photos-1.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAYcv1Skr5MXrZWnQYxr6b5bvXRfdZs7vxJAmFjJSzs4Q/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/IMG00354-20100830-1006.jpg/mPeqpS8Kkr3Ove3Rb9nTkXu4mTakS1cLrWs_qjPjIfw?size=1024x768)

(https://photos-6.dropbox.com/t/0/AAB9ST8P6W7-eh_9B4t8ybtTCD-qpkEB3rrX3uA3kXG-Fg/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/2012-04-12%2009.53.28.jpg/9uO-0G2W1rCw7UmP8XylQnkuOW0fWxe3Lacqa5N8kx0?size=1024x768)

(https://photos-6.dropbox.com/t/0/AADyKKWD2B3_KOVZw-ATWrJuJ_Jj1eVHQEEt8OTDWKinlg/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/20120425_142005.jpg/qaM-oicFTe61Pqfwhv4HoK2hd8UbqLDvqvGlvki0RYY?size=1024x768)

(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AAAM8x8AvdJS_ny58vOmSD4-9SW9nMXcl4RR4fUXMwWYpw/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/2013-04-30%2015.27.55.jpg/0Lu53TOQHyTueXGEqRQfK85aHtN_5-G6cneR2m9Szcc?size=1024x768)

(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/0/AADW4JvcYC78LKG3INprtjK0FqNF9-oW5g4f_5tYxIsvUg/12/5778506/jpeg/32x32/3/1370138400/0/2/2013-04-30%2015.28.51.jpg/tY321zg_w7DLU2DYWxglWbeYuR_DC6kWYnAZxxzgxCk?size=1024x768)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Grider on September 09, 2013, 06:43:01 PM
This is not a G-string on the left hip of a stripper. It is a 4 pair that someone cut and twisted back together. Would have been fine but you got to keep them separated.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 09, 2013, 06:58:25 PM
ouch. some people should never be allowed around any low voltage cabling. ugh. lemme guess - a geek squad member?  :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 21, 2013, 06:00:49 AM
Soo... this is what I ran into yesterday. FUN. A perfect shining example of why electricians (or any other trade without proper training and experience) should stick to electrical and leave the damned low voltage to professional structured cabling specialists. Ugh. Hasn't that memo been passed around the sparky shops enough? LOL

I present to you in all its glory... the "make up your own coloring code, pin outs and smash Cat5 jack like Hulk install" - http://ohdt.co/18hrk18
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on September 21, 2013, 11:02:08 AM
Ok Tony, I've asked you to stay out of my phone room.  :011:

That looks like one of those jobs where the best thing to do is tie new cable to the old and pull a new feed through on everything, start over, and bill accordingly.

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 22, 2013, 07:43:02 AM
Ok Tony, I've asked you to stay out of my phone room.  :011:

That looks like one of those jobs where the best thing to do is tie new cable to the old and pull a new feed through on everything, start over, and bill accordingly.



That may still happen.

Two cables (1 voice and 1 data) were damaged, so I called their foreman in to have his guys pull new ones (so I could observe and correct them). They started the pulls on the jack side of the box... had one guy feed the entire run through the conduit... enough for the entire length of the run. Then with that balled up mess, start pulling it through the ceiling to the MDF, then go back and zip-ty from MDF->jack. It was the most inefficient way to pull 2 cables I'd ever seen. So, I gave them a crash course in low voltage pulling and routing for a structured cabling install. The 2 guys pulling cable (literally a 40' run took 2 guys an hour to PULL and dress in - not even terminate)

So at any rate, after we got them up and working, I called their manager and explained that it would behove them to set up a training before they do this again and he was very agreeable and they admittedly didn't know how to do low voltage, but thought they could figure it out. So, at least he was easy to work with and his guys were nice... they just simply didn't know what they were doing and got in over their heads.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on September 22, 2013, 04:12:15 PM
This was an assisted living site who decided they would do their own moves, adds and changes to save on costs.

(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c241/mezlaw/100_0079-1.jpg)


They started using 2 pair wire and wire nuts!!!!   :011:


Their maintenance man purchased a 110 punch tool and couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work so he would cut the old jumpers off and leave a few inches still punched down and attached his new wire with wire nuts!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on September 22, 2013, 05:37:58 PM
^^ :011: :011: ^^

So much for SAVING money! 
Title: Re:
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 22, 2013, 06:40:26 PM
Think I just threw up a little…


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Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on September 22, 2013, 10:45:02 PM
But how did he know what clips and jumpers?

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on September 23, 2013, 05:44:10 AM
But how did he know what clips and jumpers?

-Hal

He also had a toner and would tone two rooms back to the phone room, then cut the jumpers and swap to connections with his 2 pair wire. When he had to swap 3 phones/rooms he got confused, messed up, then called me.  He had no idea what those blocks represented or how to count them. :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on September 23, 2013, 10:00:55 AM
Wow, just wow...both the pics Tony posted and the pic from Larry.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on September 23, 2013, 01:03:04 PM
I wish I was allowed to take pictures of the things I routinely come across. Most of you guys would be like Jeff... wow, just wow.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on December 26, 2013, 08:38:39 AM
Here's a good run down of some sloppy work. Interesting responses. LOL

http://www.techrepublic.com/pictures/real-world-server-room-nightmares/1/


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Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on December 27, 2013, 10:01:25 AM
The sad thing is, that many of these installations looked like they were immaculate - when they were first installed.

It appears that after the customer or the lowest price bidder got finished with the add-ons, moves and changes that they all went to hell.

Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on December 27, 2013, 10:32:55 AM
That's the way I see it too Sam!   :066:

I don't see anyone interested in learning all the tricks/techniques of wiring handed down from Bell/Western Electric. Pride in workmanship is all but gone except for a few.  The sad part is installers today have better tools available to them.  I say available because I never see any of them use these tools.  No one mounts equipment on the walls anymore, they sit it on the floor, on the box in which it was delivered. Forget making custom cables today, just open the packaged cables and let the slack sit all over the room.  
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on January 02, 2014, 03:15:40 PM
Seems that the new philosophy is that as long as it works it's a job well done. Nobody cares how it was done "in the old days" because they have no idea how to do it nor do they want to know. It's like wiring a room addition up with zip cord. It works and it's cheap is all that counts. Why waste time and money on extra tools and material and learning how to do it?

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on January 03, 2014, 09:59:50 AM
That's the way I see it too Sam!   :066:

I don't see anyone interested in learning all the tricks/techniques of wiring handed down from Bell/Western Electric.

About 10 years ago I ran the voice & data (wiring) end of a job my company got. It was a renovation of a catering hall (2 floors) that was being converted to offices for NYC Department of Education. The job was about 250 runs of (each) v & d. The PBX was being installed by a 3rd party. (we were also doing the electrical work).

I won't get into the work done by the PBX company, except to say that there were only two people on the crew who spoke English and the work was some of the worst I'd ever seen. After seeing the work done by these clowns I can't imagine how a "real" company can compete. But that's the subject of another discussion.

What I'd like to speak of is the spec I was doing the job to, especially the building out of the Comm Room (MC).

The spec said that all work had to be done to "Bell System Standards". Now Hugh O'Kane Electric (who I worked for), did a tremendous amount of work for both Verizon and the CLECs and we knew what "Bell System Standards" meant, so we did the job to those specs. Nothing smaller then ⅝" hardware supporting the racks and cable tray, cloth covered green wire ground ( either 1/0 or 2/0, I forget...). Power cable laced. Fiber laced with fish paper, all penetrations fire stopped, etc, etc.

And when the guy who wrote the specs into the contract, showed up on the job, he said.......

Wait for it......

"Wow! This is gorgeous! Is this what Bell System Specs means? I never knew. No one ever did a job like this for us before."

I knew then it was time to retire.

Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on January 05, 2014, 07:19:15 AM

"Wow! This is gorgeous! Is this what Bell System Specs means? I never knew. No one ever did a job like this for us before."

I knew then it was time to retire.

Sam

Yeah... that's the point where you just throw your hands up, drop tools and walk the heck out. A statement like that would be a show stopper.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on September 08, 2014, 02:38:44 PM
In the 'wtf were they thinking' category, I present the following:

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/19154CC0-0033-47E6-BFA4-C8EE583732A7_zpsc8smaxow.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/19154CC0-0033-47E6-BFA4-C8EE583732A7_zpsc8smaxow.jpg.html)

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/F203E612-2578-4AA7-A73F-0E97185E1944_zpsycg11tyc.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/F203E612-2578-4AA7-A73F-0E97185E1944_zpsycg11tyc.jpg.html)

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/75B13CBC-EB01-4AFD-88D2-F110125084BB_zpslihtkokz.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/75B13CBC-EB01-4AFD-88D2-F110125084BB_zpslihtkokz.jpg.html)

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/86140B85-3DDF-4BD8-9FF5-7EAECD5CA297_zpsmksxk3wy.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/86140B85-3DDF-4BD8-9FF5-7EAECD5CA297_zpsmksxk3wy.jpg.html)

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/9C3F7DD8-126E-4CD8-8090-2E11D9FB22C7_zpsmstd1w0l.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/9C3F7DD8-126E-4CD8-8090-2E11D9FB22C7_zpsmstd1w0l.jpg.html)

(http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg619/jefflocks/why/0632A939-9E47-48E5-BE3F-168B6BE1BE19_zps8vvdoinw.jpg) (http://s1246.photobucket.com/user/jefflocks/media/why/0632A939-9E47-48E5-BE3F-168B6BE1BE19_zps8vvdoinw.jpg.html)

This is a brand new install in a 3000sf remodeled office, they moved in last Wednesday. Sigh...
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 08, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
just sad. when there are installers/companies who take the time, know what they're doing and have proper workmanship in mind form day one... then you see this. the sad thing is, someone who does it right, and does it once will probably be contracted to clean this mess up at some point. penny wise and dollar foolish
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on September 08, 2014, 03:12:19 PM
The cabling/phone system company has been around for 30 some years, sadly all of their work looks like this.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on September 08, 2014, 05:53:15 PM
In the 'wtf were they thinking' category

Quite obviously they they weren't.  What a rat's nest!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on September 10, 2014, 06:41:17 AM
I'm guessing they ran to Micro Center to buy cables (see the bag on the floor) and purposely chose the longest ones in stock :P
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 12, 2014, 11:58:57 PM
AT&T terminal from 1971 in the crawl space of a client's. We've gotten AT&T to agree to replace the terminal, and we're running new gel filled inside wiring for the feeders, as the existing old Cat3 Riser is wicking the moisture and degrading over time. New AT&T terminal, new inside wiring, and new NEC SL1100 to replace the Comdial J1632 circa 1996. This client should be set for another 40 years :D
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: EV607797 on September 13, 2014, 07:59:54 AM
Don't run filled cable indoors.  It is a serious code violation to run OSP cable indoors since the polyethylene jacket is flammable.  Many gel compounds are too.  If you are set on using an OSP-style cable, use ALVYN riser cable, which is shielded the same way, but has a PVC jacket and conductors (AL=Aluminum corrugated shield, VYN= Vinyl outer jacket).  No, I'm not sure how they got that acronym for vinyl!

Type ARMM is one of the most popular designs.

That Comdial system (probably an Impact or Digitech) speaks volumes for the quality of one of the last systems made in USA.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 13, 2014, 09:16:44 AM
Thanks for the heads up on the cable Ed. We were just concerned about moisture exposure, and that's what our Graybar rep suggested. Should've know to "call Ed first" :)

That box is solid - haven't seen one built like that since the Toshiba Strata Se :)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on November 01, 2014, 08:07:06 PM
Nice string of photos from a cable installer - will make you cringe :)

http://imgur.com/a/PPfJn
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on November 01, 2014, 09:44:18 PM
Wow.  And they probably can't figure out why they have a ghosting problem either.   :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on November 03, 2014, 07:33:51 PM
Wow..that is...just wow.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on March 31, 2015, 12:06:38 AM
Found this one on reddit

Sparky here. This always happens. My 120/208 panel, EMT pipe, yellow cat6, and patch panels. Someone comes in after and puts that garbage in, and makes my stuff look like crap.

http://i.imgur.com/Xob9qeE.jpg

http://www.reddit.com/r/cablefail/comments/30uxz6/sparky_here_this_always_happens_my_120208_panel/

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on March 31, 2015, 08:53:32 AM
Sparky here. This always happens. My 120/208 panel, EMT pipe, yellow cat6, and patch panels. Someone comes in after and puts that garbage in, and makes my stuff look like crap.

Based on his comments, it looks like Sparky did the LV wiring too and it looks good. Impressed I am.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on March 31, 2015, 09:31:48 AM
For the sparky side, you're right - not too shabby, especially since most of them have no clue what they're doing on structured cabling. Could be a bit better in a few areas, but I was referencing the slop work he noted after he was done.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on April 19, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
https://plus.google.com/+JaredNaude/posts/WxRVWeo8GD9

This was surprising. Good to see every once in a while :)
Still would've used Velcro with my team... but super nice to look at none the less.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on April 20, 2015, 10:29:47 AM
Quote
Still would've used Velcro with my team...

That's not data, BNCs and coax, looks like video. Not in the US either. But at any rate chalk up the nice install to the fact that it was not done by IT jackasses or sparkies like it is in this country. Just goes to show how far behind we are when no one takes pride in their work.

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: liquidvw on April 28, 2015, 07:44:02 AM
https://plus.google.com/+JaredNaude/posts/WxRVWeo8GD9

This was surprising. Good to see every once in a while :)
Still would've used Velcro with my team... but super nice to look at none the less.

That looks real nice. 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on April 28, 2015, 03:22:57 PM
Here are a few pics I took today on a fiber job I did for a new service. I had to run a new fiber from the NID into the customer's equipment room. This was my first chance to use the new EzBend Fiber and it's pretty cool stuff. No need for innerduct and this stuff can handle really tight bends.

Of course there was no room on the backboard, so I had to mount everything on the wall. Me being me - I had to use a level for everything and everything got a zip-tie.

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11205026_10206514811459485_3195131288545187374_n.jpg?oh=f8117233091a76fa3031fd869a963e5f&oe=55E03334)

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11203249_10206514812219504_8240009132763015274_n.jpg?oh=d8242facc2f007ecaf4c8fc62cb7ab2b&oe=55E5DDA2)

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11008622_10206514813299531_6198359721221836781_n.jpg?oh=5ef1f765d9c2ff166a7c5dc0c6079e66&oe=55D67163)

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11038561_10206514814059550_6334686127753974586_n.jpg?oh=15f6304dcf812f8dda89545301f473ff&oe=55C81010)

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11193292_10206514815619589_6369459378388218621_n.jpg?oh=7de066ec0b207a84c6253c4a76db5141&oe=55DA85A5)

(https://scontent-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11151001_10206514816179603_8686069021945386417_n.jpg?oh=6e96742aae2a5bbb6d2e272095ebfa8b&oe=55D952C7)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on April 29, 2015, 09:37:13 AM
Nice work!

Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on April 29, 2015, 08:47:11 PM
Excellent!   :066:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: ptcaezza on April 29, 2015, 09:26:28 PM
Do you really think that small bit of exposed fiber going into the wall is going to last?
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on April 30, 2015, 10:42:44 AM
Do you really think that small bit of exposed fiber going into the wall is going to last?

It's EzBend Fiber... so unless someone actually cuts the fiber it should last a long time.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on May 18, 2015, 03:25:41 PM
Okay... I don't get to do many installations anymore, so I've got to share this one too.

The electrician gave me a compliment on my workmanship and we joked about the local CLEC and cable company. The local CLEC is notorious for techs that mount 66 blocks sideways.

This was another fiber installation and since it's deregulated work it comes to my group. We install everything past the fiber patch panel. Because we needed 11 lines for the initial order, I installed two 8 port ONTs with battery backups.

I had my big level out to draw lines on the backboard when the electrician gave me the compliments.

NOTE: Click image for full-size photo.

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11147193_10206637023674714_8450190610228172079_n.jpg?oh=61cedaa4cca603afe6eaf630f88d0e20&oe=55FF7173) (https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11147193_10206637023674714_8450190610228172079_n.jpg?oh=61cedaa4cca603afe6eaf630f88d0e20&oe=55FF7173)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on May 18, 2015, 05:05:02 PM
 :045: :045:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: ptcaezza on May 18, 2015, 11:57:56 PM
Okay, I can't help myself on this one.

So all of you phone guys and gals need your backboard labeled so you know where the phones go.  :011:  :022:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on May 19, 2015, 06:38:44 AM
So all of you phone guys and gals need your backboard labeled so you know where the phones go

It's called pride in your work!  It helps when a customer calls and you ask them to look at something. It also helps anyone who may come in after you to work on the system.

Most chronic problems/failures seem to be related to sites where everything is a mess because everyone is poking around trying to figure out what is what!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on May 19, 2015, 07:33:03 AM
So all of you phone guys and gals need your backboard labeled so you know where the phones go

It's called pride in your work!  It also helps when a customer calls and you ask them to look at something. I also helps anyone who may come in after you to work on the system.

Most chronic problems/failures seem to be related to sites where everything is a mess because everyone is poking around trying to figure out what is what!

It also helps prevent some idiot from the cable company coming in and placing his stuff right in the middle of everything. I can't tell you how many times the first guy in puts his stuff right in the middle and screws up the board for everyone else.

This was also a big box store, so they have the same layout at every location. In fact the electrical room this is in is actually a big container that get's lowered into place on site.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on May 19, 2015, 08:13:03 AM
It also helps prevent some idiot from the cable company coming in and placing his stuff right in the middle of everything. I can't tell you how many times the first guy in puts his stuff right in the middle and screws up the board for everyone else.


Right!.........I believe these guys draw an "X" on the board to find the middle!

I also mark the board for expansion equipment and LABEL as such!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on May 19, 2015, 11:09:22 AM
Our locations have a HUGE notification and arrow addressing the CLEC by NAME and then stating "THIS IS YOUR DEMARC."
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on May 19, 2015, 11:33:57 AM
Quote
So all of you phone guys and gals need your backboard labeled so you know where the phones go...

I've gone so far as to mark power strips "TELECOM ONLY. Plug your IT stuff in somewhere else!!" Those bastards even steal our UPSs because their IT crap is apparently more important.

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on May 23, 2015, 02:09:36 PM
Quote
So all of you phone guys and gals need your backboard labeled so you know where the phones go...

I've gone so far as to mark power strips "TELECOM ONLY. Plug your IT stuff in somewhere else!!" Those bastards even steal our UPSs because their IT crap is apparently more important.

-Hal

I kid you not - we had a client unplug the VoIP switch from a battery backup unit (clearly labeled with our company logo and "call repair before plugging in anything"... you know what they unplugged it for? So they had somewhere to plug in their popcorn machine!!!! They had an open house, and staged the popcorn machine at the edge of the communications closet. Saturday at 10am we get the notification it went offline, and assumed that it was a regular carrier weekend update. End users never, I say never cease to amaze me. I learn something new all the time :D
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on May 23, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
[End users never, I say never cease to amaze me.

I feel your pain.  I can remember back in the days of floppy disks, one of my guys finding the KSU back up disk under a desk leg to level it. 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on August 26, 2015, 08:53:06 AM
All I can say is wow...

 This install was actually done by the company that I used to work for… And at this point it's a good thing I'm not still there when this kind of work is being done. We are doing the firewall and wireless for this client, and they are doing phone system.

Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on August 26, 2015, 10:42:38 AM
Tony it looks like they almost considered a plan in the beginning and then just said to heck with it.   :011:

Personally I don't like my guys running the bundle next to the AC current either unless there is a reason they just have to.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: ptcaezza on August 27, 2015, 03:04:55 AM
All I can say is wow...

 This install was actually done by the company that I used to work for… And at this point it's a good thing I'm not still there when this kind of work is being done. We are doing the firewall and wireless for this client, and they are doing phone system.



Particle Board as the backboard?
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on August 27, 2015, 09:19:18 AM
That's the least of the problems. Why didn't they just cover the door up and be done with it?  :019:

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on August 27, 2015, 12:39:22 PM
That's the least of the problems. Why didn't they just cover the door up and be done with it?  :019:

-Hal

Agree with you 100%    :066:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: ptcaezza on August 27, 2015, 03:18:06 PM
I haven't looked at the NEC code lately, but I think the clearance on the side of that main service panel is no close to none existent to the low voltage stuff.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: ptcaezza on August 27, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
That's the least of the problems. Why didn't they just cover the door up and be done with it?  :019:

-Hal

Are you sure the particleboard doesn't stop at the edge of the wall or am I just seeing an optical illusion.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on August 27, 2015, 03:54:38 PM
I think it does but it's too close anyway- along with that patch panel. Gonna get whacked for sure.

Edit- Just looked at it again and now I don't know. Sure looks that way doesn't it?

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: CMDL_GUY on August 27, 2015, 04:06:42 PM
The particleboard looks to overlap the doorframe. 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on September 01, 2015, 06:23:05 AM
Too funny to see this when I check back... LOL

It's went from "the low voltage by the AC is a no-no", to a "this is an MC Escher backboard installer".

:D

More reasons I love this place!

The real answer - it is an optical illusion, and with my own two eyes I saw the backboard stop before the doorframe. I think it is the white of the gypsum between the end of the board and the frame that is washed out, making it look like it comes together.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on January 26, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Going to scope out this cleanup job tomorrow...

(http://i.imgur.com/JK9qEEf.jpg)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on January 26, 2016, 04:58:19 PM
Ughhh. Jeff, do you think that was originally supposed to be a drip loop in the Cat 5 cabling?  :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on January 26, 2016, 07:02:09 PM
What the hell is that, a coffee maker and a toaster oven on the right?? Great location...

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on January 27, 2016, 08:10:05 AM
IoT - IP enabled kitchen :)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on January 27, 2016, 09:50:54 AM
Can't wait to get my internet enabled toilet...

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on January 27, 2016, 10:02:28 AM
Can't wait to get my internet enabled toilet...


Make sure you get enough bandwidth, or that could get messy. 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MrGemini on January 27, 2016, 11:34:55 AM
I think you have to feed those IP Toilets with "fiber"   :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on January 27, 2016, 12:14:07 PM
Just watch out for those TCP dumps...
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on January 27, 2016, 03:08:11 PM
You're right Wayne.  Without fiber there is a lot of latency with those TCP dumps.

This is never going to end.  :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on January 27, 2016, 04:13:48 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Fiber#April_Fools.27_hoaxes
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on June 26, 2016, 10:10:04 PM
Haven't seen anything here for a bit - thought this would be a good kick start! LOL

Public bar in Budapest

http://imgur.com/pIfxwEg
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on June 27, 2016, 06:27:18 PM
Haven't seen anything here for a bit - thought this would be a good kick start! LOL

Public bar in Budapest


Doing business across the pond now, Tony?   :008:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on June 27, 2016, 06:33:08 PM
Lol

Heck to the no!! I'd fire myself if I did work like that.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on June 27, 2016, 09:34:52 PM
Lol

Heck to the no!! I'd fire myself if I did work like that.

 :011:  I just assumed you were hired to come in and handle the clean up.   :066:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on June 27, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
Lol

Heck to the no!! I'd fire myself if I did work like that.

 :011:  I just assumed you were hired to come in and handle the clean up.   :066:
now that's highly likely! :)
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on June 27, 2016, 11:17:25 PM
Just goes to show that we haven't cornered the market for hacks.

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: tonyburkhart on August 03, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
Never... ever... in my life, have I seen this.

Ed/Hal/Trace/Sam - have you ever seen such a thing?

Originally found here:
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https://www.reddit.com/r/cablefail/comments/4vvyaq/solder_and_66_blocks_dont_mix/
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jknichols on August 03, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
  :026: Now I've Seen everything!

Have to laugh, I started at the bottom and scrolled up - saw the lowest pair and thought, "WTF, but at least they soldered to the bridging clip!", then I got to the top pairs 3 & 5 - OMG!
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on August 03, 2016, 12:30:21 PM
Not even a good soldering job either. What the hell did he do to the middle of those other bridging clips, burn them with acid?

What's with the mess at the top left?

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on August 03, 2016, 01:49:23 PM
Not even a good soldering job either.

Right?  :011:

OMG that's funny! 
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on August 03, 2016, 04:52:43 PM
Dear God!

I remember back in the day when 66 blocks were fairly new, some of the old timers who didn't get out much thought they were close enough to the old solder frames and would solder the wires. But that's got to be close to 50 years ago!

Sam
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: MacGyver on August 03, 2016, 06:30:27 PM
Dear God!

I remember back in the day when 66 blocks were fairly new, some of the old timers who didn't get out much thought they were close enough to the old solder frames and would solder the wires. But that's got to be close to 50 years ago!

Sam

Yeah, but I bet at least they knew how to solder.  :011:
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jknichols on August 04, 2016, 08:13:17 AM
Not even a good soldering job either. What the hell did he do to the middle of those other bridging clips, burn them with acid?

What's with the mess at the top left?

-Hal

Acid Flux Solder?
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: hbiss on August 04, 2016, 10:16:16 AM
Acid Flux Solder?

Must have been a teleplumber.

-Hal
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Rcaman on September 10, 2016, 04:23:43 PM
Unfortunately, this happens. I have seen this here in western PA. "Teleplumber" is a good one, Hal. The old lead splicers used to think all problems could be solved with hot lead. At least, give those plumbers some credit for keeping the pairs.

At a large shopping mall very close to our shop, the main frame is all solder connections. If you think this solder job is bad, you should see how people who know NOTHING about solder try and make connections to a solder terminal. It is truly abysmal. I had the job of bringing 8 POTS lines and one ISDN to a store during Verizon's strike. Just finding enough clean pairs was an all day job. It took me more time to clean off the wretched old solder than it took to make the new connections. One of my best tools for jobs like this is a solder sucker. Too bad the people that botched up that 66 block didn't ASK for help.

Rcaman
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: Marc Haycook on September 14, 2016, 11:55:51 AM
I've got a radio station around here and the old time engineer soldered a bunch of bridge clips with resistors to eliminate a problem he was having. He used two bridge clips for each resistor. He actually did a really good job. I'll get some pics the next time I'm on-site.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jknichols on September 20, 2016, 08:09:35 AM
I've got a radio station around here and the old time engineer soldered a bunch of bridge clips with resistors to eliminate a problem he was having. He used two bridge clips for each resistor. He actually did a really good job. I'll get some pics the next time I'm on-site.
Well, If you've really got to solder, I'd rather see it on the bridge clip (which can be thrown away at the next change) and not the block itself.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: jeffmoss26 on September 21, 2016, 04:17:15 PM
I remember seeing a field-made ground bar in our college radio station. All of the 22 gauge wire was punched to blocks, but the shields were soldered to a piece of #6 copper.
Title: Re: How Not To Install Cabling (Pictures Of Ugly Work)
Post by: silversam on September 21, 2016, 07:49:51 PM
Jeff, back in the day (early '70s) we installed a telephone system called the TR-32 (made by Tele-Resources). They bought Stromberg-Carlson phones  (Single Line and 1A2) without either the network or the ringer. Then they installed their own guts. SL sets took a piece of quad nd the 1A2, 25 pair.

The system was, As I recall, a wired logic PBX. The 1A2 sets needed E1, G1, & H1. E1 was...I think 10 Volts (for the lamps) H1 was.....I think 5 volts DC for the logic board in the set and G1 was Ground. We would set up 66m1-25 blocks on the backboard for these three voltages. E1 & H1 came out of the PBX. For G1 we ran a #12 to a cold water pipe and forced it onto the feed side of the M1-25 block and then soldered it in place.

I don't think I've thought of that system in 40 years. They went out of business owing me money.  :002:

Sam