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Looking for specific screws
« on: October 28, 2018, 01:11:26 AM »
I've been encountering a certain kind of screw that Spectrum cable is using that appear to be the best thing since sliced bread.  They are coarse-thread, yellow chromate finish, with a 1/4" washered hex head and combination Phillips/slotted drive.  Talk about a dream come true.  I've been hoping to find some that are 1" X #8 diameter, but I'm not having much luck finding them anywhere.  Any suggestions?
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 06:37:41 AM »
If it's what I'm thinking of, I got them off Amazon.  I use these to mount things like ATA's to the wall.  Screws in as far as the washer flat to the wall with the head sticking out just far enough to mount the equipment.  Same principal the truckers use to nail 4x4's to their flat bed to help hold cable reals in place, yet with the actual head sticking out so they can get a crowbar on them later to remove.
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 10:11:54 AM »
Like this only with a combo head, which I hate! The phillips never grabs and the slot is useless.

https://www.tmshardware.com/products/t120-2725-9504?variant=36435775246&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwt_MhrWp3gIVkoCfCh2UdA0KEAQYAiABEgJW5PD_BwE

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2018, 12:35:09 PM »

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »
The only difference with yours is that the threads don't go all the way to the head.

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2018, 03:35:48 PM »
Sort of like the ones used for wall mount jacks?
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2018, 06:59:41 PM »
Dunno. Gotta ask Ed.

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2018, 09:43:35 PM »
"Yellow Chrome Finish". I think I picked up some of those a few years ago at a local mom & pop hardware store. They were the best regardless what I used them for but when I went back to get more they were out and they were not able to locate any more of them.  :016: I was using 3 inch screws and I didn't have to wax them like you do drywall screws.

I recently had to remove some of them that have been in the weather for more than two years and they were as clean as the day I used them and the wood was not discolored at all.

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2018, 09:54:03 PM »
I'm still not seeing anything here like what I'm seeking.  I'll have to bring one home and take a picture.  They're hard to describe.
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 12:03:20 PM »
Other than the duel phillips/slotted head that's what you asked for.  :066:

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2018, 06:22:35 PM »
I’ll bet your looking for these.

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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2018, 09:58:21 PM »
Nahhh. Ed didn't say anything about a hex head.

NEXT! :011:

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2018, 10:10:24 PM »
Nahhh. Ed didn't say anything about a hex head.

Oh yes he did!  Yes, Don, those are exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks for the information.
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2018, 02:54:07 AM »
Went back and looked and so you did. My eyes aren't what they used to be I guess.

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2018, 09:35:51 AM »
The braintrust here never ceases to amaze me.  :011:
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2018, 11:56:42 AM »
So, Ed....

Now that you found them - do you have any specific purpose for them?

I was thinking, we always used 8x3/4 for mounting 89b's 8x1.5 for wall phones and 10x1 for most other things.

What's so special about these?

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
Well Ed your right,  they are great screws. 

I have gotten the odd few of those screws on uninstalls and what not,  but never really used them exclusively on a job.   
I hate bugle head screws aka drywall screws because they don’t lay flat on the back and there is really little to no use for them in our profession,  ecpecially 66 blocks.  There are a few ty-wrap mounts I use them for bits that’s about it.

 I have been using lathe screws and they are great,  but being able to use any screw driver I have handy,  and a magnetized nut driver is a big plus. 

I did an office in an old house job and reaching up between dark, awkward joists to put up J-hooks was a breeze with the magnetic 1/4” driver  on the Milwaukee m12.

My box has been in the car for a few weeks and I didn’t really think to use them. Thanks for re-introducing me to them.   

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2018, 11:36:03 PM »
Sam, they're just a really handy universal screw.  You can use about any means of driving them; flat-head, Phillips or 1/4" hex.  They have aggressive threads which make them easy to install by hand and the heads are small enough to rival a comparable #8 or #10 pan-head sheet metal screw.  I recently purchased a Klein 11-way screwdriver that has a 1/4" hex head socket with a very thin wall, so it even fits into the screw cavities of a 42A block, etc.  When using this and these screws, it's nice to be able to load the screw and go without fear of it falling out of the traditional screwdriver, as with Phillips.

https://alliedboltinc.com/Fasteners/Slotted-Phillip-Hex-Washer-Type-17-Screw~408/8-X-1-inch-SLOTTED-PHILLIP-HEX-WASHER-TYPE-17-SCREW-ZINC-YELLOW~6112

Don, I'm embarrassed to say that I can't find them anywhere that sells them direct to consumers.  They seem to be catering to the CATV industry.  Might I ask where you got yours?  As of now, I'm just stealing them from abandoned hardware in utility closets and putting them in a little box in my tool bag.  I'd like to have some #8 X 1" and #10 X 1" for starters.
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2018, 11:19:39 AM »
Interesting.  I missed the fact that there was a Type 17 bit slot in them too.  Kind of the Swiss Army Knife of screws.

BTW, "Call to Order - This product is available from Graybar but cannot be ordered online. Please contact your local branch or our Customer Service Team at 1-855-347-2839."

https://www.graybar.com/store/en/gb/6112-25925598#

Also, I can't find the exact one, but I bet if you call you can order them here: 

https://www.alliedbolt.com/hexwaheslshm.html

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2018, 11:05:03 PM »
I’ll find out Ed

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2018, 07:59:29 AM »
Interesting.  I missed the fact that there was a Type 17 bit slot in them too.  Kind of the Swiss Army Knife of screws.

Actually, if I Googled it right, "Type 17" does not refer to the bit slot, but rather the thread pattern and specific drill point.

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2018, 06:22:32 PM »
I think you're right, JK.  In my mind I was thinking of that square bit that is also used for an 8 point star screw, but the Type 17 must refer to that cut away that gives the point of the screw that razor sharp bite.
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2018, 07:01:33 PM »
I think you're right, JK.  In my mind I was thinking of that square bit that is also used for an 8 point star screw, but the Type 17 must refer to that cut away that gives the point of the screw that razor sharp bite.

That "cut away" makes it self drilling in heavier gauge metals. Even another plus!

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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2018, 10:54:47 PM »
I’ll find out Ed

Hey, Don:  Any luck with the info?  I can't find them anywhere for a private buyer to purchase them.
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2018, 12:07:14 PM »
No luck with that Graybar link?
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2018, 08:24:36 PM »
Anybody check Grainger?

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2018, 09:03:26 AM »
Just use the best screw ever invented. The Robertson head.
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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2018, 11:01:24 PM »
Grainger, Graybar, etc. won't work for me because I'm just looking to buy them as a consumer in small quantities.  They only sell wholesale, don't they?  I don't own a business, and the company I work for isn't interested in that part of things.  I'm just looking to make my life easier.
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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2018, 08:10:47 PM »
As far as I know, you can still buy from Graybar, Ed.  Just set up a cash account with them and pay with a credit card when you order.  They may ask for a sales tax number if you want to buy tax deferred, but I don't think they even asked for that from us.  If they do you should just be able to tell them that you pay tax.  I'm not sure you even have to have an account to go in and buy anymore.  Just tell them you're Ed Vaughn, Telco Engineer extraordinaire.   :008:
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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2018, 10:07:46 PM »
I can place a Graybar order and have them shipped to you if you like. Your credit is good here.

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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2018, 10:45:02 PM »
You guys are great, and thanks very much for the kudos, suggestions and offers.  I forgot that we have a company account with Graybar, so I'm sure the rep I normally worked with will put together a side order for me on a credit card.  Oh boy are you guys going to be jealous when you hear my stories of the hours saved by using these miracle screws.  I'm serious!
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2018, 12:42:06 AM »
  I'm not sure you even have to have an account to go in and buy anymore. 

I think you're correct. Years ago Graybar preferred that you were a pro with an account in order to receive a discount but I think with all of the "Big Box" stores now days Graybar will sell anything to a homeless person as long as he or she has cash. I guess I can't blame them though. You can purchase just about anything from Ebay or Amazon these days at a lower price anyway.

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Re: Looking for specific screws
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2018, 08:17:31 PM »
Ed, you can also try McMaster-Carr. They will sell to anyone.
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