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Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« on: October 26, 2016, 06:25:38 PM »
"The Internet of Things has gotten out of hand. Alongside devices where “smart” makes sense, like security cameras, are items that have no defensible reason to be on the internet, such as refrigerators, ovens, and washing machines. Even Barbie’s Dreamhouse is a smart home."

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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2016, 09:24:49 PM »
And what's wrong with Barbie's Dream Home.....

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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 06:37:06 AM »
As much as I hate all this stuff, I have been considering the installation of a thermostat connected to WIFI for my farm house. It would be nice to monitor, maintain and change the temerature from this house.
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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2016, 09:01:45 AM »
I got (free) wifi thermostats for my Window Air Conditioners this summer from Con Edison. I don't think they were really ready for prime time (in the end I could only get one of the three to work consistently - full disclosure  - it works very well).

The idea is that you can go online and see the temperature in your home (in my case it's the first floor of the house). If I see it's too hot then on the way home I can turn on the A/C and it'll be cool when I open the door.

The idea is that the utility could turn down the temperature on my A/C if it's a day where they're having power shortages in my neighborhood.

I can see how such a unit might be hacked to turn on or off my A/C. But how such a device could be hacked to take down the internet is beyond me.

I was always leery of "Smart home" devices. Do I need my refrigerator calling the market to order milk? Do I need my toilet reporting high levels of whatever to my Doctor? (And is it me or my wife taking a leak at that time?) Do I need........

You get the point.

But this gizmo (and a thermostat for heating the house) are fine by me. And I need someone smarter to explain how they could be hacked for DOS attacks.

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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2016, 06:30:55 PM »
As much as I hate all this stuff, I have been considering the installation of a thermostat connected to WIFI for my farm house. It would be nice to monitor, maintain and change the temerature from this house.

They give them away here, but there's a catch. The electric company can log in and adjust the temp in your house in the summer when demand for electricity reaches an arbitrary capacity. I didn't/won't bite. Nobody is going to control my comfort level.
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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 10:05:27 PM »
I have no love for Con Ed and their exorbitant rates. It would be a cold day in Hell before I let them dictate the temperatures in my house. Every month I get this "report card" from them comparing my previous months usage to two classes of my neighbors in similar houses, "normal customers" and "energy efficient customers". I score anywhere from 80% to 20% more than I assume the other normal customers. Problem is it's a big mystery what qualifies customers as normal and energy efficient. I did notice a house around the corner from me that has a stack for either a wood burning or pellet stove as well as box fans in the windows- in August. That has to be one of those energy efficient Con Ed customers. There are also old people around that can't afford to run their AC. Guy across the street from me has one lung and is 85 years old.

Interesting story. Way back when I was doing electrical contracting I did a new service upgrade for this guy. I needed to look at his Con Ed bill to get the account number to put on the application. I noticed his entire bill was only $15. That got me thinking about how that could be. Hmmm. This guy lived alone, went to work when it was light out, after work went to a bar, ate and got drunk, went home and fell asleep. Didn't need AC, had a refrigerator with a couple of beers in it, did his wash once a week (maybe). He also went hunting a lot so he was not at home.

Ah, yes! If he were around today he would be a true Con Ed energy efficient customer, someone who Con Ed thinks we should all be like. :002:

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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2016, 07:42:56 AM »
Hal... I get those same notices from National Grid.  I live in a 200-year-old house with no insulation, but other than that, I keep the oil heat at 52 degrees so the pipes don't freeze, and supplement with burning wood and electric heaters in the bedrooms.  Other than getting the landlord to remodel the place, there is not much more I could do to save energy.  Every month I'm told how badly I'm doing.  I think they just send those to everyone.
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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2016, 09:09:23 AM »
There are some advantages to smart thremostats, but as with Marv, I wouldn't do it if Oncor had access.  We don't have those issues here though. 

I'll pay for my own and restrict WAN access to VPN tunnels. 
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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2016, 01:32:26 PM »
I'm not concerned with Edison controlling my temperature. First, I don't think they will  (I think the whole setup was BS for the PSC) and Second, if they do I'll just unplug the unit (it sits in series with the A/C, between it and the receptacle) and plug the A/C in directly.

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Re: Your DVR didn't take down the internet... yet
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2016, 05:10:35 PM »
The electric company can log in and adjust the temp in your house in the summer when demand for electricity reaches an arbitrary capacity. I didn't/won't bite. Nobody is going to control my comfort level.

That will never happen in my house!!!!!!!!!
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