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The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by MacGyver on October 31, 2019, 09:21:41 AM »
Very interesting input.  Larry, I think you're rght on the LED lighting.  That's going to help with game changing as well.  I'm actually cutting out a T8 ballast tomorrow and replacing the bulbs with 4 no ballast 3100 Lumen LED bulbs.  Hoping that resolvs an issue with a camera kicking back and forth between B&W and color.
The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by CMDL_GUY on October 30, 2019, 08:57:48 PM »
Solar is beginning to catch on and I think LED lighting compliments it nicely.   I was visiting relatives in Connecticut this past May and was surprised to see so many homes with solar panels.

Here is a local market that has a lot of solar collectors; https://www.yoderscountrymarket.net/

Here is the stats on there solar setup;  https://www.yoderscountrymarket.net/static/files/solar.pdf

It's also a great place for lunch!   :054:
The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by silversam on October 30, 2019, 08:26:51 PM »
Trace  -

Admittedly I don't use a lot of electricity (Natural gas for heat, cooking and hot water - though I do have two strips of electric heat and a heat Trace on a pipe). But then again it's NYC and not Texas as far as sunlight goes. It wouldn't haBe been financially viable without subsidies, but then again, if more people put it in the price would go down.

BTW,  my panels were American made and the electricians who installed it we're IBEW. I could have done it cheaper, but chose not to.

I like solar. A lot. You install it and it sits there and works. No maintenance. If it snows on it, it doesn't produce. Then the snow melts and your back in business. I've got an app on my phone and I keep track of what's going on. Once a month I take the data off the app and off the Edison bill and plug them in to a spreadsheet I created. It's a no brainier. If I had the space I would have put in 25 panels and would pay nothing to the Utility. We'll, something in the winter and a rebate in the summer...

As far as wind turbines , the state is finally talking about putting them offshore. So far they seem close to starting it.

The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by silversam on October 30, 2019, 08:10:45 PM »
Dave -

I specifically asked about the Tesla power wall.

A bomb in waiting was the response I got.

The huge number of people in close proximity scares the shit out of the FDNY & the NYPD when it comes to things that can go boom if not done properly.

I've installed floors full of 6' high lead-acid batteries. In commercial buildings. With adequate venting and Halon and......

In a residential building - no matter how well built?

Not happening.

There are 2.5 million people in Brooklyn. 8.5 million in NYC. 21-24 million people in the Metro area (immediate suburbs). That's a lot of people in a comparitively small area. The authorities are (probably rightly) concerned about possible disaster causing devices. When in doubt, keep it out seems to be the motto.

The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by MacGyver on October 30, 2019, 07:33:30 PM »
Okay, Dave, you have my attention.  That's pretty awesome.
The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by RATHER BE FISHING on October 30, 2019, 05:25:58 PM »
I'd be curious about how NYC feels about the Tesla Power Wall installations for residential.

The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by MacGyver on October 30, 2019, 10:20:26 AM »
Good information, Sam.  Here I Wouldn't be talking to the city.  Information is on a need to know basis.   :011:

When I move that might be a concern though. 

40% with a full payback in just over a few years is impressive.  When I've looked at solar in the past for anything other than hot water, the issue has been that the technology was changing so quickly that long before full payback, you would have gotten a better payback had you waited a few years.  Sounds like they're getting it down.

Here we do see some wind turbines. 
The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by silversam on October 30, 2019, 09:32:53 AM »
Trace -

I put solar power in a few years ago. I almost didn't, because the City limited me to 10 panels (I live in an attached 1903 row house) and the FDNY want complete access on all attached houses to go from roof to roof, if required. In the end, I did it anyway. I'm getting 40% of my annual electrical consumption from Solar. Full payback (after rebates) should be next year or maybe the year after.

I did inquire after a battery system - I mean, I've installed dozens, maybe a hundred or more over my career from small ones to big "submarine cells" to a humongous 240 cell system to backup a whole 25 story bank.

I got turned down. NYC does not allow battery back up systems (of any significant size) in residential dwellings. They consider them bombs waiting to go off. In commercial and industrial space they are highly controlled. I remember one job down in the financial district where the customer had to get outdoor venting. Being as the building (180 Maiden Lane) was all green glass outside he had to run vent pipes 20 or 30 stories out to the roof!

So no batteries for me. If utility power fails my solar system shuts down (so I don't try to power the neighborhood and - more importantly - to protect utility workers). I can however throw a switch on the inverter which directs all my solar power to a receptacle mounted below the unit. It's enough (if the sun is shining!) to power a refrigerator and certainly charge phones etc.

Other Systems / Re: Groundstream
« Last post by Skip555 on October 30, 2019, 07:56:38 AM »
Thinking about , when one 9-12 class certifies you there cant be much to it , I've got better use of my time .

The Phone Booth / Re: Dallas tornado
« Last post by MacGyver on October 29, 2019, 11:10:29 PM »

Our pipes aren't buried too far underground.  Also, many places have the hot water heater out in the garage. The pipes in the wall (an external wall at that) froze at my assistant's house years back.  I had to bring a jet engine kerosene heater over to thaw the pipes.  Also, some  houses are pier and beam with the pipe up above the ground.

There have been times I've lost power for 4 days in the city limits.  Storms here are really volatile.  I plan on always having one as a backup.  If I had natural gas, as you said, that would be a no brainer. 

The one thing that I will change when I move is that via some sort of short gap with batteries, I want to have  a whole house battery backup system so that all the electronics don't take that brown-out hit when the power fails and the generator kicks into action. For that matter, even for when the generator doesn't kick in, but we just get brown-outs. 
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